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【原创/思考】初学者的动漫事件簿!

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只看该作者 30楼 发表于: 2005-06-16
P2P和自学日语才是王道。
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较真总是好的,如果有朝一日能对这些较真觉得“脸红”,那么就成长了。而无论仍然执着于较真或者觉得“无聊”,都是“完全没进步”的表现。

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道德审判,有目共睹

谁睹到了?告诉我怎么各大媒体怎么审判他的……

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据说当时有FAN写信给日本大使馆甚至小田健的,不过......可能是日本人里也有“多一事不如少一事”的人,或者说那个时候棋魂没有引进所以不会对他们的利益造成什么影响云云。

哈哈哈哈哈……………………你自己研究下这番话吧……

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只看该作者 33楼 发表于: 2005-06-16
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最初由 花花游龙 发布

谁睹到了?告诉我怎么各大媒体怎么审判他的……


各大媒体主要是以和稀泥为主,但这也算是进步了,而且这一事件中日本动漫难得是以一种正面形象面市!
另外,曹的书在书店被撤柜退回出版社,这还不能说明问题?

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较真总是好的,如果有朝一日能对这些较真觉得“脸红”,那么就成长了。而无论仍然执着于较真或者觉得“无聊”,都是“完全没进步”的表现。



这话题对真正专业人士来看,必然是审美疲劳,又无甚大用
嘿嘿,下面那图造型好象川尻善昭早年那部<午夜之眼>里的摩托女,太象了~~~

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只看该作者 35楼 发表于: 2005-06-16
美国这个方面已经开始严打BT。

下面是某学校的发给全体学生的email,讲述非法下载和版权的。

ESSENTIAL INFORMATION REGARDING ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING



In April and May, XXX UNIV. received 24 subpoenas from the Recording Industry Association of America ("RIAA") requiring the university to turn over the names of students who allegedly used the XXX UNIV. network to receive or distribute copyrighted materials without the permission of the copyright holder. The university has already contacted the students and advised them of their part in the pending federal court cases. Many of the students said that they didn't know that their alleged activities were illegal.

This email is to let the larger student body know more about copyright, the law, and the risks that you take on when you knowingly or unknowingly violate the law. We're sorry for the length of this message, but there's a lot to educate you about. This information could be extremely important to you, particularly if you have a high-speed Internet connection or an even faster university- provided connection to the Internet and Internet2. Violations of the type claimed by the RIAA could result in jail time and massive fines. Please read this information and discuss it with your friends.


COPYRIGHT: WHAT IS IT?

The idea for copyright starts in Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution ("To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries").

The founders wrote that it is in the public interest to give inventors (of machines and processes) and authors (of creative works) a limited-time "exclusive" on their use and the profit from their efforts and creativity before releasing that right to the public for the common good. The laws regulating copyright are established and updated by the U.S. Congress, most recently in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) of 1999.


WHAT'S THE RIAA SO UPSET ABOUT?

The RIAA represents the record labels. Those firms' businesses are built around hiring creators and performers to produce new songs, which the record labels copyright and sell, and pay the artists out of the proceeds. They know they have only a limited time in which to make a profit before the public loses interest in a song.

The firms have long worried about copyright violations from cassette recorders and VCRs. Those technologies make it easy to make a few copies of a copyrighted work, albeit at reduced quality. Computers and high-speed networks change everything, making it easy to distribute thousands of perfect copies of a copyrighted work. This has raised the stakes enormously.



AREN'T XXX UNIV. AND INTERNET2 SUPPORTING
MUSIC DOWNLOADS OVER THEIR NETWORKS?

In a word, no. Respect for intellectual property rights is intrinsic to research institutions like XXX UNIV.. Such respect is codified in numerous policies, including the Acceptable Use Policy to which every holder of a XXX UNIV. computer account agrees as a condition of receiving that account.


Some students have thought that the i2hub program is an Internet2-sponsored project or that XXX UNIV. installed some device to make downloading files fast, easy, and free -- these students are wrong. Further, the name of the program used to transmit and receive protected files without permission doesn't matter; it's the act ("stealing") that matters, not the method ("i2hub," "KaZaA," etc).


DOESN'T THE SONY BETAMAX RULING PROTECT ME?

In 1984 the Motion Picture Association of America ("MPAA"), the movie industry's version of the RIAA, tried to block the sale of Sony's Betamax VCR. The case went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court which ruled that VCRs were legal because they had "substantial non-infringing uses" and that recording a television show to watch it in a different time or different place (called "time and space shifting") is OK per the "fair use" doctrine in copyright law.

The Court ruled that the VCR did have legitimate uses, but it did not say that all VCR uses were legal. By analogy, in the RIAA suit, a device or file-sharing program might be legal for some uses, but other uses such as unauthorized distribution of a song are clearly illegal. Remember that "fair use" does not refer to the principles or opinions of an individual like yourself, but to the specific usages that have been defined in legislation and by the courts.


CAN THEY CATCH ME IF I ONLY DOWNLOAD ONE SONG?

Yes.

Most of the programs that you can use to download songs are part of a category called "peer-to-peer" (P2P) sharing programs. These enable individuals to form larger groups to speed up the transfer of files. In a practical sense, that means that these programs turn your computer into a server that can send files to others upon request. There are legitimate uses for such programs, but making copies of things that you aren't entitled to isn't one of them and it isn't covered by fair use.

Many P2P programs scan your computer to find media files (even those that you acquired legitimately) and reconfigure your computer to upload these files to others upon request, even after you restart your computer. So, even though you thought that you were just downloading one song, you find yourself in the position of frequently uploading that song and other files to others. If the RIAA searches a P2P network for a copyrighted file and sees it as available from your computer, you're in trouble.


WHAT ABOUT MOVIES, IS IT OKAY TO SHARE MOVIES OR SOFTWARE?

No, that is illegal too. The Motion Picture Association of America ("MPAA") feels the same way about their movies that the RIAA feels about their songs; software publishers concur. They do not want you distributing their copyrighted works without their permission. In fact, the MPAA is closely following what the RIAA is doing, has already notified XXX UNIV. of over 100 instances of alleged illegally shared works. The MPAA may pursue the RIAA's course of action by suing students for copyright infringement.


SO WHAT SHOULD I DO?

Well, the first thing to do is to stop receiving and distributing copyright- protected works without permission. The easiest way to do that is to uninstall the programs that you installed to do this. Anything short of this requires constant vigilance on your part to make sure that your computer is doing only what you want it to do.

Consider subscribing to a legitimate online music service such as Napster or Rhapsody. (Note, we aren't endorsing any particular service.) Before subscribing to a service, check to make sure that it is compatible with your computer and portable media player.


FINAL THOUGHTS

Any claims that copyright law is unconstitutional, doesn't apply to you, or is trumped by some religious or other circumstance is just plain wrong. Any claim that fair use allows you to make copies of songs for or from friends is wrong. The penalties for violating DMCA can be as high as $100,000 per file. This is serious business and you need to know that those who stand to lose the most money want to make examples of those who steal from them.

XXX UNIV. will be developing a more extensive body of information and links about copyright issues for students during the summer. Until then, here are links to information that we think will be helpful to you:

http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/howto-notgetsued.php
http://security.uchicago.edu/peer-to-peer/no_fileshare.shtml

真是倒霉。

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只看该作者 36楼 发表于: 2005-06-17
个人并不认为可以把字幕组和伪《棋魂》相提并论,
曹某的动机实在恶劣,和郭敬明的抄袭事件是一类的吧

其他的观点都同意,尤其是说杂志的那一段。

C'est La Vie



それでも、永遠に。。。
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只看该作者 37楼 发表于: 2005-06-17
中国的动漫发展比较初级吧,还在摸索之中。
原先是跌打滚爬,现在是努力copy不走样。总之真正的产业化的到来还需要很长的等待……

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只看该作者 38楼 发表于: 2005-06-17
有需要就有供给..

有我门这些动漫FANS的需要,D商门做会做的....

hi.baidu.com/freeandwind....[my blog]
暂时没发现用什么签名好。。留空。。
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只看该作者 39楼 发表于: 2005-06-17
前边讨论到国外的字幕组,控制下载什么的……= =……
我只能说,这种东西是挡不住的...什么某某大学发这警告那警告啦,完全是虚张声势...聪明点的人都不会被逮到的(太贪得无厌的人就活该啦=o=)....上大学又不是人人都住宿舍,朋友之间互相刻盘借一下就ok了
就凭正版的速度和价钱...是满足不了OTAKU们的..不过相对国内来说这边买了版权的动画比较多,在有版权之后各个字幕组也都不明目张胆的做字幕了(改地下活动>>>>BT,EM,IRC,WinMX,私下传播,总之不会消失= =....顺便一提老外字幕组做的动画比中文字幕组做的面要广...几乎什么都做= =...不过速度比不上中文的)。但是这边的动漫迷是舍得出钱买正版的,如果真的喜欢的话,即使已经下载看了一遍了...(总之还是有钱啊他们T^T)
国内要引进正版太麻烦了啦....|||- -没得期待都...肯定会删节很严重并且严重低龄化...动画配音也是个难关.......唉....毕竟‘领导们’还是觉得‘卡通片只是给小孩子看得’啊!...唉唉唉...

这个人很纠结,不知道签名写什么好
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最初由 宝贝蛋 发布
个人并不认为可以把字幕组和伪《棋魂》相提并论,
曹某的动机实在恶劣,和郭敬明的抄袭事件是一类的吧

其他的观点都同意,尤其是说杂志的那一段。



确不是一个层面上的,至少在情感上会很不一样

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最初由 雨过天晴 发布
前边讨论到国外的字幕组,控制下载什么的……= =……
我只能说,这种东西是挡不住的...什么某某大学发这警告那警告啦,完全是虚张声势...聪明点的人都不会被逮到的(太贪得无厌的人就活该啦=o=)....上大学又不是人人都住宿舍,朋友之间互相刻盘借一下就ok了



这个好象有一些确实消息
美国的情况可能还是出于民间自发和自律,据说欧洲一些国家已在立法上禁断非授权的网络传播
但对中国而言,应该还不至于立刻就有反应,再说道高一尺,魔高一丈,人的应变能力是可以信任的:)

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只看该作者 42楼 发表于: 2005-06-18
大家都好厉害,我买了账号,可是不会下载,唉
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只看该作者 43楼 发表于: 2005-06-21
改革需要动力,改革需要牺牲,改革更需要群众基础!

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只看该作者 44楼 发表于: 2005-06-22
这样的帖子确实不错,这就是现在的国情吧……

陋室空堂,当年笏满床;
衰草枯杨,曾为歌舞场;
蛛丝儿结满雕梁,
绿纱今又在蓬窗上。
说什么脂正浓、粉正香,
如何两鬓又成霜?
昨日黄土陇头埋白骨,
今宵红绡帐底卧鸳鸯。
金满箱,银满箱,转眼乞丐人皆谤;
正叹他人命不长,那知自己归来丧!
训有方,保不定日后作强梁。
择膏粱,谁承望流落在烟花巷!
因嫌纱帽小,致使锁枷扛;
昨怜破袄寒,今嫌紫蟒长:
乱烘烘你方唱罢我登场,
反认他乡是故乡;甚荒唐,
到头来都是为他人作嫁衣裳!
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